Redfish on a 6wt. I liked the alignment dots used on each section. It’s not surprising after doing a lot of casting with all the rods, that the G. Loomis rods stand out above the others in our Power rod category. Sent from my microwave on the Now Network from Sprint! It is slightly stiffer, with a stiffer tip. With a massive selection, free shipping, two locations, & some of Colorado's best guides we strive for the best customer experience possible. Now I’m getting nice tight loops and excellent accuracy. I love the Avantt’s lightweight feel, but the stiffness in the tip hurt the feel and didn’t allow it to perform like the best Power Rods in close. I love reading reviews about everything. You’ll find these on our Yellowstone Angler home page at yellowstoneangler.com. In close, the 3D was OK, but not nearly as accurate as the Asquith or Radian. The guide wraps are jet black and the epoxy coatings were top notch. All of this results in a very classy look that complements the Avantt’s fine performance. The quality of the cork rings was OK, but not nearly as good as on the Platinum G2. I liked the medium-fast action but this is one of the stiffest 5-weights in our Power Rods category, and one that you could definitely jump up to a #6 line and get better performance, especially in close. G Loomis is an incredible brand in the fishing world, but sometimes gets overlooked by some of the bigger names like Sage, Scott and Orvis. It matched the Zone and DXF in close. The stiffer tip on this rod hurt both feel and accuracy. And once you’ve picked out the perfect rod, stay and enjoy a few days on the water with one of our top guides. The performance got a lot better out at 45 feet and was the best at 70 feet, where it was comparable to the Sage X. The Asquith took the honors in our important swing weight category. This gives an angler more feel combined with an enormous amount of reserve power. Not nearly as much feel as the H3F, accuracy was not that hot either. This rod has an attractive dark steel gray color, with complementary gray wraps. This is handsome rod with the same superb craftsmanship that we have come to expect from T&T, getting a perfect score for Craftsmanship. The perfect line: S.A. Amplitude MPX in WF-5-F. I’m getting very good accuracy, but not the feel I got with the Radian or Asquith. The Base is not a fancy rod, but it is far better than I expected it to be for under $100. Both rods use skeleton black anodized single up-locking reel seats and both use a thin nylon ring against the sliding band to provide a secure lock up. Like the Anomaly, the Truth has a nice light swing weight, that will make it a pleasure to fish all day; especially if you are doing a lot of false casting when fishing dry flies. Pimping rods you sell is fine. I’m confident that we can come up with the perfect rod or outfit that best fits your needs. The past few years, I've started to notice a pattern. In swing weight, it was not as good as the Helios 3D and Avantt and far heavier than the Asquith. An example of this would be our 2011 5-weight shoot-out; we had never once carried Hardy (mainly because the Hardy rods we had cast were horrible). Call us at 406-222-7130, or e-mail us at [email protected] and we can discuss your needs and wants. The bottom of the review barrel is all stuff they don't carry. The Asquith is a gorgeous rod, with extremely good craftsmanship. ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} 2020 Five Weight Shootout by the Yellowstone Angler. Here it ties the Asquith for the top score. In casting this new NRX+ rod, the improvement in recovery and dampening was dramatic! I thought the quality of the standard sized cork rings was pretty good and better than a lot of the less expensive rods. Sage uses a hook keeper and then a single SIC stripper, followed with hard chrome snake guides. The insert is epoxy-impregnated wood in a deep brown color. This new rod from G. Loomis was delightful to cast at all distances. The other thing I didn’t like much was the action, which was a lot slower than the Air. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Loomis uses a stack of very high quality thin cork rings with one rubber/cork ring at the bottom of the flare. Here are my top two choices for the best all-around 5-weight rod: Here is a fantastic new rod that can do it all! Not quite as good as mid-range and not nearly as good as the Taylor rods or the Helios 3D. A blue sliding band on the black reel seat complements the wraps and jumps right out at you. The Truth uses a skeleton black anodized single up-locking reel seat with a thin nylon ring against the sliding band to provide a secure lock up. When you see it in the sunlight – the green finish sparkles brilliantly. At mid-range they both scored the same at 19 points but then the Truth was a little more powerful and better at 70 feet. It’s performance was slightly better than the Foundation at both 25 and 45 feet but then it seemed to run out of gas at long range. Seems to track well but I’m not getting anywhere near the same kind of accuracy as with the Asquith or NRX+. A little bit of gray trim thread is used on the butt section. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} At first glance the wraps are nicely done and the epoxy coatings are very good. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} We hope you have enjoyed reading our 2020 5-weight Shootout! The cork handle is a half wells design, with very high quality standard sized corks, including contrasting rubber/cork rings at top and bottom for durability. Complementary green wraps are used, coated beautifully with epoxy. No fly rod is the perfect rod on every river, on every given day. The wraps are a complementary dark green and the epoxy coatings are very well done, and almost as good as what we see on the T&T rods. The $198 Clearwater was better. It was easy for me to cast off the tip of the rod with its fast action and softer tip. Alignment dots and the rod designation are found on each section. The standard size cork rings are excellent in quality. It was also one of the better rods in our 8-weight Shootout, placing 6th overall. The rod we tested is the Medium Fast action. The past few years, I've started to notice a pattern. I’m not sure what happened this year other than the fact that I really didn’t like the heavy swing weight and that dragged down my scores. Lots of feel and great accuracy from one of the more powerful rods. It feels comfortable enough to me. The craftsmanship was very good, but not equal to the best rods that scored 9.5 or better. I like the Avantt’s faster action over the much softer Paradigm in our Presentation rod category. The cork handle design is a half wells with a comfortable swell slightly forward of mid-grip and a nice flare on the bottom. I love every single one of them. At 70 feet, the stiffer Truth was better than the Anomaly and here it was almost as good as the Avantt. 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The guide set up uses a fairly large SIC stripping guide, followed with fairly large diameter hard chrome snake guides. Surprisingly better than the Avantt and Helios 3D in close with accuracy equal to the NRX+. The epoxy coatings are a little heavy but better than a lot of other inexpensive rods. Overall the coatings were pretty darn good for a rod in this price class. This doesn’t happen often, but the Asquith was denied the overall win in the Final Results since it lost a lot of points in both the price and warranty categories. For a rod this expensive, I would have expected Loop to use the better nickel/titanium snake guides. From my perspective and for my casting stroke, their analysis is solid. I was amazed at how easily I could throw tight accurate loops at long range and with less effort than with any of the other Power Rods. Casting off the tip is impossible as all that swing weight kills any feel. Orvis did a good job designing the tapers, as the medium-fast action feels just right to me. The craftsmanship was excellent, and on par with the Scott Radian, NRX+, and the Orvis Helios 3D. Bruises are often caused by having a lead eye bugger, beadhead fly, or split shot slam into the rod while you are casting. They seem terribly biased. The guide set up starts with a hook keeper and the stripping guide is one of the new titanium frame guides with a very thin SIC ring. The guides start with a hook keeper, one SIC style stripper, followed with black colored hard chrome single foot guides. The Asquith and Radian are in a totally different class at the top. 2020 8-Weight Challenge, an abbreviated Shootout Rather than do another full blown 8-weight Shootout, we decided to collect these new rods and see how they compare to the top rods in our 2018 8-Weight Shootout. The accuracy would be better if this rod had a more flexible tip. I asked Josh to come here and field some comments. It was also fairly stiff in the butt and mid section, and a 6-weight line would have improved the performance at the shorter distances. We hear they are working on some new high-end rods, with the latest in materials now and we’ll be excited to see them. The one-coat epoxy coatings over the guide wraps are a little heavy in spots but not sloppy. I've owned a Loomis Crosscurrent, Crosscurrent Pro-1, Hardy Proaxis, Sage Salt, and Method in 7wt and out of them all I only currently own the Proaxis. 2017 5wt Shootout WINNER, not only this year but the past four years in a row. I’m getting nice loop control and good accuracy at mid-range. Feels a little heavy in hand and the overall stiffness is not allowing much feel at all in close. P.S. The 7 Weight is the middle child of fly fishing. Slightly better in close than the Truth mainly because it is softer. A gray graphite insert is used with the 7X inscription in white. This rod has a very dark green blank with slightly brighter green wraps. The standard sized cork rings are only fair in quality, and are showing me a lot of filler. With a 5-weight line, the BVK performed best at 70 feet, when I had a lot more line in the air. I love fishing a 7 but it’s been a long time since I had one I thought was just right. This is a far heavier rod in both overall and swing weight than T&T’s Avantt, and one of the heavier rods in our Power Rods category. The cork handle is the same snub nose half wells style used on the X, but the quality of the cork is FAR worse and exhibits a lot of filler. Finally the stiffness kicks in and now I’m firing nice tight loops and getting good accuracy, even better than the Helios 3D. I’ve looked and the Trident 8 weight shoot and I notice that a lot of the reels they tested where 8-10 wt not only that but a lot of rods and reels that I’ve heard to be good weren’t even in the run. The BVKs are fantastic rods and so are the Mangroves. It is a skeleton anodized black aluminum, single up-lock seat with one wide locking ring, which is faced with nylon to provide a secure lock up. I loved the light swing weight and the precise feel and accuracy the Sky G gave me. This is also a great looking rod, with the same high quality cork handle as we see on the Helios 3 rods and a fancy reel seat. Steve Rajeff, head rod designer at G. 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