Thus the midrash links the story of Lot’s daughters and the book of Ruth, in which the Moabite Ruth … Moabites were already gone as a separate nation by Nehemiah’s day (5th century BCE). The Descendants of Lot 30 Then Lot went up out of Zoar and lineage of our father.” 33 So they made their father drink wine that night. It is irrelevant from what glorious or NOT! He built and maintained what would become the largest empire in the world, and it is now believed that one in 200 men are direct descendants of the Mongol leader. In reply to That would be because there by Pinto. According to Jesus (as recorded in Luke's gospel) world conditions at the close of our present age would come to resemble "the days of Lot." The midrash observes that, by strict law, the daughters deserve to be burnt by fire for having lain with their father (Aggadat Bereshit [ed. God Bless and thank you for your enlightenment in your truthfull words! In reply to It is foolish to say that by Tameika, Tamika absolutely you are right God not play evil stuff it’s never happened. How could the daughters of Lot think God destroyed the whole world. In reply to

What I find most by Hugh Irwin. The daughters thought that the entire world had been laid waste, as had happened during the Flood, since they saw no living souls wherever they went; they did not know that only Sodom had been destroyed. The Bible is clear that Noah and his wife had three sons and three daughter-in-laws. The Bible does not specify why Lot was afraid to live in Zoar but rather than live in the city, Lot fled to the mountains instead where he and his two daughters lived in a cave. While Genesis 19:33-35 certainly only mentions the one time, it's entirely possible it's simply indicating how their scheme typically went by telling us about the first time they pulled it and then leaving us to figure (without having to have it all described to us again) that they took turns with their father in the same manner every time they pulled this same scheme after that until they were both certain they were pregnant. In fact the cities were destroyed in a manner similar to how Paltith was executed... by fire... Just to answer the bit about Lot's 4 daughters. Before we consider the history of these two nations, let us look at an important lesson the original readers of Genesis were to learn from Sodom’s end. In reply to

Muslims believe that Lot by Sarah Alfred. Sounds to me like those rabbis owe Lot an apology for their unduly harsh assessment of his character; he didn't offer up his daughters to the would-be rapists without implicitly offering up his own life first. The Moabites were excluded from the Israelites’ worship, but this exclusion was based on their mistreatment of Israel during the time of the conquest and not on the misconduct of their parents. Take Genghis Khan for example. why would the Jews wish to tarnish their own reputation? After all... even Mary the mother of Jesus was born in sin -- she was a regular human. "This also explains the midrash... that Lot’s daughters had no wine.". The israelite nation was taking on "strange wives" of other nations. If anything, my suspicion is that Lot's daughters had figured out how their fertility cycles worked and simply used an inversion of the Catholics' beloved rhythm method to ensure that they were inseminated on their most fertile days. One of Lot's daughters apparently married Seir the Horite (Gen. 36) and named their first-born Lotan, after her father. Genesis 19:6 says "Lot went outside to meet [the Sodomite rape gang] and shut the door behind him. The Torah and Bible were changed over time due to corruption in religion and for a meager sum of money, the rabbis changed the original story to tarnish the character of Prophets and change the word of God who is the Almighty and Who is the only One. 38The younger also bore a son and named him Ben-ammi [son of my people]; he is the father of the Ammonites to this day. To this insignificant nation at the time of the end—somehow or another, by whatever means— God gives favor, and they escape the domination of the Beast power coming out of the north. that Lot’s daughters had no wine; a miracle was performed for them, and the cave in which they lived became a portent of the World to Come, dripping with wine, as in the depiction of the World to Come: “And in that day, the mountains shall drip with wine” (Joel 4:18). Good argument, but can we rely on it? They and their father are living alone in a cave. Even the most prudish cultures have always known that nothing magically protects a girl from getting pregnant her first time, much as she might wish something did. Let's be careful not to add to the word of God because it is a curse to do so.Many people come up with thoughts that are not written this is why people get confused and say that the bible is contradictory. Genesis Rabbah portrays Lot’s daughters and their choices in a decidedly positive light, while exacerbating Lot’s culpability. In reply to

Just to answer the bit by Patrick. However, the Israelites' prescribed enmity with the Ammonites and Moabites did pretty much continue with everybody else in those nations. Sorry somehow my previous post was duplicated. The daughters thought that the entire world had been laid waste, as had happened during the Flood, since they saw no living souls wherever they went; they did not know that only Sodom had been destroyed. Hori was one of Lotan's sons. Still, with vegetation (including wine grapes) immediately springing up in the rich plains of the Jordan (recently fertilized with ash) and people being able to round up the occasional surviving stray animals now drifting ownerless in the aftermath of the apocalypse, the suggestion that Lot and his daughters needed some miraculous source for their wine (or anything else) is pure fanciful speculation and nothing more. The daughters’ true intent was not to lie with their father, on whom they had no sexual designs, but to save the world from total devastation. In the Bible, they are described as being descendants of Ben-ammi, who was the son of Lot (Abraham’s nephew) and Lot’s younger daughter (Genesis 19:38). Just as Ruth acted for an ideal when she went down at night to the threshing floor of Boaz, so, too, the daughters of Lot acted altruistically (Gen. Rabbah 51:10). It doesn't automatically follow that every trivial evil by every trivial person is the equivalent. The Descendants becomes a kind of exhilarating, island-hopping road movie with Matt as much in search of himself as of his wife's mysterious lover. I don't think that can be used as an explanation for Lot's daughters being innocent. Frightened and exhausted, they come to a cave in the mountains and live there. Chapter 19 of Sefer Ha Yashar indicates there was 5th Daughter... One who was executed just before these events. The Seven Princesses of Atlantica (commonly referred to as the Daughters of Triton) are the daughters of King Triton and Queen Athena, debuting in the 1989 Disney animated feature film, The Little Mermaid. We learn from hence what the best of men are when left to themselves; a good man, a righteous Lot, is guilty of crimes the most shocking; he exposed the chastity of his daughters to the men of Sodom, and now his daughters attacked him, and succeeded, being both with child by him; and this brought about by … Once again, the rabbis' accusations against Lot are pure speculation with neither any sound logic nor any canonical basis for them whatsoever. They said: “The Holy One, blessed be He, has rescued us so that the world will exist through us, so that the human race shall continue.” The Holy One, blessed be He, knew their honest minds and good thoughts and rewarded them for their actions. The gals were betrothed to be married when they had to flee Sodom, which can only mean they must already have been of a marriageable age; by the standards of the time, that would place them in their early teens at the youngest and it's more likely (considering that they took a while to get to their mountain dwelling and the daughters stated that they had to act soon if they wanted to have any offspring because their father was old enough that he wasn't going to be around much longer) that they were in their later teens or even twenties. To say that homosexuality is wrong is ridiculous. So it seems unlikely that his daughters would think the entire world was destroyed, especially when they saw no smoke or fire to the west of the Valley. It is hard to raise a family there. 37 The older daughter gave birth to a son and named him Moab. He could have intervened at any time like he had in Sodom and Gomorrah, or when he spoke to Abraham. That would be because there wasn't any. The Bible; the Pentateuch; Tanakh (the Pentateuch, Prophets and Hagiographia)Torah reading of the verse: “Thus the two daughters of Lot came to be with child by their father” (Gen. 19:36). A girl or woman can become pregnant the very first time she has intercourse. Ruben, Gad and Manasseh had the area from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon for hundreds of years. She then took on Thier laws and Covenant. The reason for this is because it is through Shem’s seed, the nation of Israel that the whole world must accept and learn from. However, the commentary above says, "The daughters’ true intent was not to lie with their father, on whom they had no sexual designs, but to save the world from total devastation. It was all part of his greater plan. Think of the consequent of this statement! The only Jane Rolfe was the daughter of Thomas. 36Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father. Why is anyone questioning why any of this happened. It is morally wrong to put this Incorrect information out there. The usual name of the descendants of Ammon, the son of Lot (Gen_19:38). Yes. In contrast, in the second episode, which takes place after the upheaval of Sodom, Lot’s daughters engage in relations with their unwitting father. 27 February 2009. The dirty old man raped his daughters and the women got the blame. Would you be willing to take my information and look me up on facebook or some other site, just so that I could ask you questions and gain understanding about some of the scriptures or all of them? [emphasis mine]" If anyone was going to get gang-raped and murdered that night, Lot would surely have been the Sodomites' first victim, since he was standing between them and his guests and his daughters with the door shut behind him. ", Wrong on all counts: while it's entirely plausible that the daughters were acting out of deemed necessity rather than from lust, they could not have thought all the people of all the world destroyed, since Genesis 19:30 clearly states they had lately emigrated from the little town of Zoar; they must have been aware that other people still lived in civilization's remnants, though Lot's being afraid to stay in Zoar suggests they justifiably believed these other people were hostile to them. In Genesis 19:30–38 Lot's daughters got their father drunk, and over two consecutive nights had sex with him without his knowledge. We’ll treat you worse than them." 25). Higger chap. He was a pedophile,pure and simple. Chloe is the daughter of Captain Hook. What nation came from lit and his daughters? We are told that Haran was the father of Lot and had already died in Ur, the land of his birth. When they arrive, Ben gets hooked on her heart. Drunkenness is no excuse for having sex with your daughters. While it's worthwhile to know what ancient Israelites thought about various odd passages of Scripture, honoring these fanciful scribblings as anything more than the dubious opinions of fallible men would be subordinating the Scriptures to mere human traditions as God warned us against doing in Isaiah 29:13. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. And while he lingered, the men took hold of his hand, his wife's hand, and the hands of his two daughters, the LORD being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city " … 10 These are the records of the generations (descendants) of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and the sons born to them after the flood: 2 the sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras; 3 the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah; 4 the sons of Javan: Elishah, … Lot's daughters probably believed themselves and their father were the sole survivors of universal worldwide destruction. Despite his knowledge of what had transpired, he did not refrain from drinking wine the next night as well, and lying with his younger daughter (Gen. Rabbah 51:8–9). It was only afterwards, out of unspecified fear [whether because Lot thought it also would be destroyed, or because he feared its inhabitants for some reason], that Lot took his daughters to the hills to live in a cave. One of its main justifications for the daughters’ actions is the eventual arrival of the king-messiah, who will arrive through the line of Lot via Moab. The idea that Lot's incest was punishment for his willful sin in offering his own daughters to the mob is interesting. 500 years after the Conquest, descendants of Cortés, Moctezuma meet The two shared a hug on Friday at the same spot where their forebears met on … He preferred to keep a low profile,so he would enjoy a sweet ,harmonious,incestuous life in secret(like all cases of incest). "[4], A number of commentators describe the actions of Lot's daughters as rape. He is the father of the Moabites of today. (Pinto) You have a very adept understanding of scripture (including original jewish scripture! Thomas More’s amazing descendants . Genesis 19:35 likewise clearly states "Again he was not aware of it when [his younger daughter] lay down or when she got up [emphasis mine]." "Lot's Daughters: Midrash and Aggadah." The bible is not contradictory some just choose to add to it. Joseph Brant is today remembered as one of the most influential leaders of the Mohawk nation, skillful diplomat and fierce warrior, but legacy of his life has also been preserved into his descendants. After the Ancestor tab that you can read about in Using the Ancestor Tab of the GRS; the most commonly used tab of the GRS is the Descendants tab.. How do we know for sure exactly what happened in the cave, once an inebriated in ignorant stuper he could NOT "impregnate" virgin naive,inexperensed,ADOLESCENT daugthers.Lot was an alcoholic, who provided the wine.In Zoar were people!! She reminded her younger sister that they were still chil… According to the Rabbis, Lot had four daughters, two of whom were married, and two betrothed. Where in the bible does it says that Lot had four daughters ? Could Lot have sex while he was intoxicated? According to the Rabbis, Lot had four daughters, two of whom were married, and two betrothed. Ruth the "Moabite" was an Israelite (Ruben?) II. He is the father of the Moabites of today.… Chloe is one of those VKs. Lot's daughters are four women, two unnamed people in the Book of Genesis, and two others, including Paltith, in the Book of Jasher.. Only two daughters are mentioned in Genesis 19, while Lot and his family are in Sodom.Two angels arrive in Sodom, and Lot shows them hospitality. The Moabites were descendants of Abraham's brother, Lot, who was removed from Sodom along with his two daughters before its sudden destruction (Genesis 19). The Rabbis portray the daughters in a favorable light, while Lot is indicted. The story of Lot and his daughters is the culmination of a larger narrative cycle, spanning Gen 18 and Gen 19, in which Lot is contrasted with his uncle Abraham.Lot, like Abraham, is a gracious and considerate host, making the welfare of his guests a priority. 37The older bore a son, and named him Moab [of a father]; he is the father of the Moabites to this day. Ruben, Gad and Manasseh had the area from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon for hundreds of years. "The daughters’ true intent was not to lie with their father, on whom they had no sexual designs, but to save the world from total devastation. When Lot's daughters said there were no more men left for them to procreate with (Gen 19:31) they must have surely known there were other cities with people. Chloe is one of those VKs. But to my mind, Lot’s two daughters did more evil than Lot’s wife did in looking back when escaping from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:30-38). In reply to What nation came from lit and by Dalya. Lot thought that if he were to dwell in Sodom, he could engage in licentious behavior without anyone’s knowledge. Incest is wrong and so is pedophilia. No. Part II: Lot, Moab, Ammon and Esau (Edition 1.1 20070220-20070220-20070416) The blessings conferred on Abraham also extended to the children of Lot and the sons of Isaac. Muslims believe that Lot was a Prophet .He did no such thing as raping or incest. Virgins do ovulate. Above you can see the different shades of brown that the Ancient Egyptians are these are the descendants of Ham today. I have no other intentions, than to truly gain more wisdom. Genesis Rabbah portrays Lot’s daughters and their choices in a decidedly positive light, while exacerbating Lot’s culpability. Encyclopedia Article: Art: Representation of Biblical Women, Encyclopedia Article: Daughters of Lot: Bible, Page: Girls in Trouble: Women's Agency and Power in the Torah, Copyright © 1998–2021, Jewish Women's Archive. Genesis 19:14 states that Lot went to his sons-in-law that had married his daughters . After God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain for their homosexual immorality, God rescued Lot from there before God destroyed those places. According to the midrashic account, when Lot was commanded to rescue his two daughters from the destruction the angels already foresaw that Ruth the Moabite and Na’amah the Ammonite would descend from them (Gen. Rabbah 50:10). The Ammonites Descendants of Lot Nephew of Abraham Lot the Father of the Ammonites from Genesis 19. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.The firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there isn’t a man on earth to come in to us in the manner customary in the world. The capital of the Iron Age kingdom of Ammon was Rabbah , which is located at modern-day Amman, Jordan. The Hebrew text indicates that they are married to Lot's daughters, while NIV interprets the expression as "pledged to marry" his virgin daughters. Why on earth would the Moabites who hated Israel so much allow a Jewish family to dwell among them? Lot’s descendants were born through sexual immorality and these two boys would end up as two of the worst enemies of the Israelites, well over 400 years later. 212B Descendants of Abraham. Wasn't Sodom and Gomorrah mainly inhabited by Canaanites? One of Lot's daughters apparently married Seir the Horite (Gen. 36) and named their first-born Lotan, after her father. Hori was one of Lotan's sons. Now Lot went up out of Zoar and settled in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; so he lived in a cave with his two daughters. Sons-in-law in this instance refers to the men to whom his daughters were betrothed. Are today’s English people descendants of Anglo-Saxons? 1898.) Some of the modern-day Palestinians are also likely descendants of Lot (one of Abraham's relatives whose two daughters gave birth to the peoples of Moab and Ammon) and Esau (one of Isaac's sons and brother of Jacob).. We have an instinct against it. Another Rabbinic view was that Lot secretly lusted after his daughters. The Torah says that Lot and his daughters (and his wife, before she became a pillar of salt) first fled to Zoar, which was not destroyed along with Sodom because of Lot's desire to live there. The son of Lot by one of Lot's own daughters. kings David,etc lineage is.THAT story,along with all Rabbis explanations holds a lota WINE but "No water"...!!! He accordingly was punished by his daughters engaging in intercourse with him; this episode became common knowledge and is read each year during the public Torah she-bi-khetav: Lit. 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